Pharnabazus ([info]pharnabazus) wrote,
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Snape and Lily, a reassessment


One of the things I was most glad to see in The Half-Blood Prince, is that at least my thoughts on patronage networks seems to have been borne out – even if a number of my other speculations have proved rather further from the mark! Slughorn’s club (and it’s after-school connections) was beautiful in this regard – and especially the way that Riddle learned from it!

Now, about Snape and Lily.

We know from what Remus Lupin said in Order of the Phoenix that Lily did not become especially close to James until his last year, though it seems that he had always liked her. But it’s only in reading this last book that I’ve started to believe that until this, she really could have been quite close friends with Snape.

They would definitely have mixed socially. They were both members of Slughorn’s club, and (with what Horace said about Lily, and Snape’s potions genius) they were his favourites in their year. “And” he had a consistent practice of setting up connections between his various protégés. I am quite confident (given that Gryffindors and Slytherins take Potions together, and all houses do, in the last two years) that Slughorn paired Lily and Snape together for potions, consistently – perhaps for years.

Which could explain why, although the book was defined as Snape’s by the name of the “Half Plood Prince”, and many spells in it are “known” to be Snape’s own inventions, and Harry was convinced that it belonged to a boy, Hermione was also convinced that the handwriting in it was a woman’s. If Harry had shown the book to Remus Lupin, would he have recognised the handwriting as Lily’s? If they had worked together in Potions, using the same textbook together, and adding in their additional refinements, I think this is entirely plausible. And actually, the strange sense of humour that Harry observed may owe something to Lily too – the sort of Lily that liked playing practical jokes on Petunia. I can imagine the wry humour with which, when Snape referred to the book as his own, she wrote (in place of his real name) she wrote inside, that it belonged to his "preferred" name, of the Half Blood Prince.

Perhaps "half blood prince" is not a mark of ownership, but a "dedication?"

Could this also explain how James got hold of Snape’s spells. Was it through Lily? Or did Snape think that it must be through Lily? (Probably James watched him practice, through his invisibility cloak). Does this account for some of Snape’s reaction to her in the pensieve scene? A mistaken sense of betrayal of secrets?

Oh well! Just an idea!

More detailed post to follow, about the rest of the book!

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[info]greenwoodside
2005-07-18 10:22 am UTC (link)
I'm not sure about this, but...in the OotP pensieve scene, didn't Harry describe the young Snape's writing as being small and cramped? Love the theory though.

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[info]greenwoodside
2005-07-20 01:19 am UTC (link)
I reiterate: in the OotP pensieve sequence, Snape is described as writing on his exam paper in a "small and cramped" script. The writing in the Half-Blood Prince's book is also described as "small and cramped". Therefore, the writing in both belongs to the same person, and that person is Snape.

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(no subject) - [info]firebird157, 2006-05-22 08:24 pm UTC

[info]professor_mum
2005-07-18 11:02 am UTC (link)
Maybe. What do you make of Snape screaming at Harry "I am not a coward"? Is he really doing something heroic for the Order? And, had Snape heard these EXACT words from Lily in the past before she was perhaps stolen away by James? Did unrequited love assist in Snape's ease in betraying the Potters?

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[info]quinconcinnity
2005-07-20 11:09 am UTC (link)
I don't think Snape did betray the Potters. I think that he, like the other DEs, thought it would be Neville.

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[info]ex_ajhalluk585
2005-07-18 11:29 am UTC (link)
Actually, that explains a great deal - including the fact that the HBP's notes get nastier towards the end - presumably after the break-up/disappointment/rejection.

Also; "the Half Blood Prince" is a totally preposterous name for anyone with an ego rating at less than at least 9.5 on the Voldemort scale to give themselves, but as a flippant nickname for a quasi-boyfiriend one thinks takes his ancestral defects much too seriously ("Severus? Lighten up. Look what fate gave me for a sister") it's spot on.

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[info]pharnabazus
2005-07-18 12:08 pm UTC (link)
Yes - it "does" sound like Lily's half-ironical nickname for him.

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You know, that never occurred to me. - [info]thespice, 2005-07-18 04:04 pm UTC
Re: You know, that never occurred to me. - [info]pandarus, 2005-07-20 02:38 am UTC
I just meant that it all feels like grasping at straws at this point. - [info]thespice, 2005-07-20 10:07 am UTC
Re: I just meant that it all feels like grasping at straws at this point. - [info]barbyinthegardy, 2006-11-02 07:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]pharnabazus, 2005-07-19 08:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mrs_muggle, 2005-07-20 12:31 pm UTC

[info]lizardlaugh
2005-07-18 12:54 pm UTC (link)
YES!! YES!! YES!!!

See, midway through the book I was predicting Lily as the HBP by the way Slughorn kept saying Harry was so much like Lily. At the end, I had to draw the conclusion that Snape and Lily had to have been friends -- after all, she was 'just like Harry' in Potions, therefore if Snape were the HBP, she and Snape must have been working closely together. Had they JUST been Potions partners, given Snape's personality, I don't think he would have shared so much with her unless he genuinely liked and trusted her. I would even go so far as to say that he was in love with her and THAT was why he switched sides after the information he gave Voldemort led to her death.

I agree with you that it have indeed been Lily actually writing notes in the book. We HAVE seen Snape's writing and Hermione was likely correct -- it WAS the writing of a girl, not a boy. The girl being Lily, of course. Perhaps even the wisdom of the HBP was the work of both Lily and Snape.

My theory is that Snape and Lily were close, unbeknownst to James, Sirius, Remus and Peter. That he was in love with her, and after she began dating the hated James Potter, Snape was inclined to take a slide to the dark side. It probably didn't hurt that his Muggle father was an abusive asshole to himself and his witch mother. Oh, the tragic woe! Perhaps the Snape fangirls will get their Byronic!Hero!Snape after all.

I think Dumbledore knew Snape loved Lily. When Voldemort killed Lily, that was it. And his hate for Voldemort now is very deep and very personal. There is no question in my mind as to what side he is on -- he is on the side that will help him redeem himself and avenge Lily Evans. Love is powerful -- Dumbledore keeps harping on about this. This is the power inside of people that Dumbledore trusts above all others. So when Snape came to Dumbledore and told his tale, Dumbledore believed him. There is not anything that goes on in that school that Dumbledore misses. He knew Snape was telling the truth.

Snape's big mistake is how has treated Harry. Harry is is mother's son, not his father's. He may look like James, but he has Lily's soul.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-18 11:37 pm UTC (link)
About Snape's unrequited love for Lily. Fifteen years ago - not a short time ago, fifteen years ago - I was in a professional environment where my future was being decided. I also met the love of my life, and, while she married the other guy, my feelings for her never changed. What happened was that a certain amount of people took to disliking me and did their best to ruin my career. And in the course of this, one particular person also struck at the woman I loved, purely because I loved her.

Fifteen years have passed. I don't much care any more about any of the people involved - I have forgotten their faces and names - except for one. If I ever meet the man who deliberately tried to wreck my love's career, I will kill him. Or at least beat him to a pulp. Do what you want with me, I don't mind, war is war; but touch the woman I love, and I will rip your throat out with my bare hands.

It happens, folks. It happens in real life.

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[info]cordeliadelayne
2005-07-18 01:22 pm UTC (link)
Those are all really good points, yet more things to think about!

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[info]jodel_from_aol
2005-07-18 01:40 pm UTC (link)
They certainly knew each other, and I quite agree about the Slughorn connection. But I suspect they were more on the order of rivals. He had an image to project to the rest of his housemates, after all.

Speaking of which; we finally have an idea of why Slytherin House is as it is. It's the Riddle effect. He clearly enthralled not only his own year, but the adjacent years as well. And since then, the house has been ruled by their descendents. There was a built-in critical mass which ensured that they would be the dominent faction for several generations.

Slughorn is intelligent, and he has a basically sound moral compass. But he's got no ethical sense whatsoever. He means well, and in normal circumstances his little foibles do comparitivly minor degrees of harm. But he is vain and indolent and easily disarmed by flattery or very easily bypassed. Riddle stole his House out from under his nose. And it wasn't untill quite late in the game that he realized how badly he had erred.

FWIW, I think that in Slughorn we have a portrait of what was the typical product of Slytherin house, before Riddle took them over. Phineas seems to be much in the same vein, though he was probably a bit less lazy.

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[info]impinc
2005-07-18 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Oooh! I bet Snape thought Lily told James about the spell and that's why he was so rude to her! But I'm sure he forgave her earlier and they went back to being friends. Er, until she started dating the boy Snape hated and he became a Death Eater.

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[info]lavinialavender
2005-07-18 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Beautiful theory! I love you. Have linked to the FictionAlley Lily/Severus thread, hope you don't mind.

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[info]katiescarlet
2005-07-18 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Excellent! :)

I was thinking much the same thing earlier.

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[info]pharnabazus
2005-07-20 05:27 am UTC (link)
Just read your post, and think you have it right. I'd thought about the fact that Snape seems a loner at the time of the OWL exams as well.

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[info]kagami_x
2005-07-18 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I definitely agree. I was actually thinking something along the lines of this theory when Slughorn kept saying "Just like your mother... Lily Evans' great talent" etc, etc.

It DOES get nastier towards the end of HBP's copy of Advanced Potion-Making, doesn't it? Maybe it was because James and Lily started hooking up, and Severus was left with only his friendship with Lily. Could he possibly have been thinking of using the Sectumsempra on James? Or had he used it on James? The books always reiterate how deep Snape's hatred of James Potter was. And maybe still is, if this Lily/Severus theory is true.

Thanks, you've really given me something to think about!

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[info]zweelum
2005-07-19 02:59 pm UTC (link)
Could he possibly have been thinking of using the Sectumsempra on James? Or had he used it on James?

OotP, page 647: "But too late; Snape had directed his wand straight at James; there was a flash of light and a gash appeared on the side of James's face, spattering his robes with blood."

Read a theory somewhere where this was the point where Lily and Severus really turned against each other. He called her a Mudblood and everything. And THAT'S why it's his worst memory.

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[info]psychic_serpent
2005-07-18 07:50 pm UTC (link)
I've always thought there had to be something between Lily and Snape and even made her a Potions prodigy in the Psychic Serpent Series, so I was so tickled to see that in HBP! I also always thought, from my first reading of the Pensieve chapter in OotP (Harry observing Snape and his mother in a Pensieve was also something I wrote about!) that when Snape called Lily "Mudblood" he was angry with her for almost blowing their cover; he was already targeted enough by MWPP just for being him; considering how James was pursuing Lily, can you imagine what he would have done to Snape if he thought there was anything between them? Or how his fellow Slytherins would rake him over the coals for being with a Muggle-born witch? HBP felt like we came a little closer to confirming all of this, as well as confirming that what made Snape become a spy was the realization that Voldemort was going after Harry, Lily's baby boy.

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[info]empressvv
2005-07-18 10:52 pm UTC (link)
i'd like to know your thought about the date of the book. the book is from 50 years ago, something that jkr draws our attention to by having remus suggest it and harry investigate immediately.

all of what you said makes sense, especially when we consider how snape's insults are always that "Harry=James" not "Harry=Lily". if he hated her too, why not drag her name through the mud as well. all his venom is placed squarely on the marauders.

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[info]caranya
2005-07-19 05:22 pm UTC (link)
My theory on the date of the book is that Snape was poor and had to get thigns second hand so the book was published 50 years ago but only came into snapes posession x number of years ago when he was in school - make sense?

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[info]jodel_from_aol
2005-07-18 11:28 pm UTC (link)
The timing is all wrong. The Prophecy was probably made during the Christmas break of 1979-1980. Voldemort seemed to only decide to go after the Potters, specifically, very soon before he actually killed them. They were in hiding for barely a week.

Snape has to have "gone to Dumbledore" at least some time before he actually started teaching. Which makes it the summer of '81 at the latest, well before Voldemort decided to pursue the Potters rather than the Longbottoms. I really don't think that Lily was a factor by then.

But R.A.B., whoever he or she was, may have been. Sirius Black's testimony on anything to do with timing is totally hosed now, but he didn't necessarily get his facts wrong. And from what he said in the sad tale of his fool of a brother, there was a point that Voldemort suddenly changed his tactics and even his own followers were shocked about what he was up to. That change is almost certainly to have been in response to his hearing about the prophecy. Regulus Black was killed at some point in 1980. R.A.B. had clearly learned about the Horcruxes and, so far, it sounds as if something like a Horcrux is a bit beyond the pale even for the most dedicated of Dark Arts-tolerant wizards. Something like that is information that R.A.B. would not gain anything by keeping to himself.

R.A.B. may not be Regulus Black, although I'd be surprised if he weren't. But he was certanly confident of not surviving for long, and we don't know who actually hunted him down and killed him. But the DEs aren't all *that* numerous.

And I now am wondering just what led Voldemort to send Snape to Hogwarts as a spy at that particular time. And whether he ordered him to take the DADA position, that he himself knew was jinxed. Because we know from Umbridge that Snape originally applied for it, and both Dumbledore and Voldemort knew it was cursed. True he could count on that position being open, but if Snape had been the one to suggest the infiltration of Dumbledore's school he might not have played it as smoothly as he thought.

As to the curse getting out into public domain, once you use a spell anyone might pick it up. That's how Harry learned about Expeliarmus, after all. Snape, unlike Harry, also had that book well before 6th year (It may well have been his mother's copy. Slughorn had been teaching at Hogwarts for 30 years at least by then and probably still used the same texts.) Levicorpus is something that James used on him at the end of *5th* year, and Lupin comments that it was extremely popular for a period while they were all at school.

What is more likely than for Lily to have spilled the beans is that Snape was gven the Lovegood treatment of having had his property stolen and hidden, (probably right before potions class) and Potter and company amused themselves by going through the book themselves. It may have still had his mother's name on it back then. It very likely wasn't labeled Half-Blood Prince at that point or Lupin might have remembered it, if he was in on that particular prank.

One thing we know is that Snape was working with nonverbal spells well before 6th year. Levicorpus had gotte away from him at least a year earlier.

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[info]pharnabazus
2005-07-19 02:47 am UTC (link)
Yes, there is something very interesting about the timing. At the very least, the wording of the prophecy, "born as the seventh month dies" implies that Harry had not been born yet. And yet Voldemort never killed him until the second year of Harry's life. And Dumbledore described the prophecy as "foretelling" Harry's birth.

Why wait so long? And more to the point, why wait until "halloween" of the second year of Harry's life. The only thing I can think of, is that it was important to do the murder at "halloween" if he wished to use it to make a Horcrux.

Of course, there was an earlier halloween, the previous year. But at that time Voldemort might not have been able to find the Potters so easily, and he probably didn't have Wormtail yet as a spy, and certainly not as the Secret Keeper. Voldemort's immediate reaction to the prophecy was probably to recruit a spy in the Potters' circle - and he picked out Pettigrew as the likeliest to give in to pressure. And at some point he sent Snape to Dumbledore, to confess and spy on "him."

When Snape learned that Voldemort planned to go after the Potters, though, including Lily, he warned Dumbledore, who sent them into hiding. This was the point at which Snape "really" broke with Voldemort, and betrayed him in something important - and the point at which Dumbledore knew he had a "cast-iron" reason for trusting him.

But I'm starting to wonder if Voldemort might have "known" that Lily might still be a factor in Snape's loyalties. There has to be some reason why Voldemort was hesitant to kill her, and would have left her alive - not only from his own words to Harry, but even from Harry's Dementor-induced memory. There has to be at least some reason why he would have been willing to let her live.

I need to think more about this.

Of course, there's always been yet another theory at the back of my mind. That Snape might have been working for Dumbledore all along, before he even became a Death Eater, and been a spy right from the start. It's unlikely, but not completely impossible. The real question is "when" he became such a superb Occlumens that he could fool either Dumbledore or Voldemort or both, and "when" he learned to be so good at it - and who taught him.

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[info]daiq
2005-07-19 04:14 am UTC (link)
I had assumed from the JK clues of the Book being from 50 years ago, and a womans handwriting, and being introduced to Snapes Mum - that the books was hers and Snape was using a hand-me-down. So they were her spells, not his.

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[info]pharnabazus
2005-07-19 06:26 am UTC (link)
Except at the end Snape specifically described at least one of the curses as his own invention. And Snape's Mother is the last person to write in the book that it belonged to the "Half-Blood Prince!" When he had the book from his mother, it was probably quite plain.

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[info]fyrie
2005-07-19 06:23 am UTC (link)
This would certainly explain why Snape changed sides after learning that Voldemort was after the Potters. I don't see him caring about whether James snuffed it, but if he'd associated with Lily for so long, then he'd have a reason.

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[info]sodzilla
2005-07-19 07:10 am UTC (link)
One clue at least to the HBP's writings being a case of teamwork: the Muffliatus spell.

Consider how lonely young Severus seemed to be. In the Pensieve sequence, even his fellow Slytherins didn't seem to pay that much attention to him... I haven't read it in a while so I may be wrong, but I don't remember anyone coming up to him and asking about the test results, or anything of the sort.

And yet, why would he want to create a spell that would keep conversations quiet, unless he had at least one close friend? And it'd only be more likely if that friend was someone he could get in trouble for talking to "openly" - someone like, say, a Gryffindor girl who was the love interest of a boy who hated him.

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[info]pharnabazus
2005-07-19 08:18 am UTC (link)
Exactly! That makes perfect sense. And so "half-blood prince" was not a mark of ownership, but a "dedication!"

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[info]adjectivegirl
2005-07-20 07:29 am UTC (link)
I literally don't know how I found myself here (shit, I'm becoming Ginny) but this is so brilliant I'm about to choke on a ship that actually furthers the plot. OH this is amazing. I think it's particularly the text of the way the Half-Blood Prince thing is written. It would so be her...as if Hermione had jumped the Trio ship way earlier, that kind of betrayal leaves a mark.

BUT, and I'm just asking cause I can't page through the book *what with my new carpel tunnel* was Hermione looking at the dedication for the handwriting or the notes? Cause I buy that the handwriting inside the text of the book is Snape's through and through, as Harry notices no changes in the handwriting throughout.

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[info]anthon1
2005-07-25 02:39 am UTC (link)
Yes.

(Anything else I could say would be fairøy meaningles here. But yes.)

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Snape / Lily / Harry
(Anonymous)
2005-07-27 07:03 am UTC (link)
Just a small thought on the side (maybe someone else wrote it already, but I didn't see it): Snape might hate Harry so much not just because he looks like James, but also because his (secretly) beloved Lily died for her son - so he could blame Harry for Lily's death. Surely another good reason to hate him for...

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Re: Snape / Lily / Harry
(Anonymous)
2007-05-21 03:03 pm UTC (link)
That's exactly my theory. Snape loved Lily; Lily died to protect Harry; if Harry hadn't been, Lily wopuldn't have had to die for him; ergo, it's Harry's fault Lily's dead. Childish, but up tp SS standards.

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[info]seanpaune
2005-07-27 03:27 pm UTC (link)
Very, VERY interesting theory. Perhaps we shall learn more in book 7, but I think there has to be a Snape/Lily connection deeper than we first thought.

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Lily/Snape
(Anonymous)
2005-07-27 09:53 pm UTC (link)
I think it's fairly obvious why Snape would hate Harry if he was in love with Lily... Harry is a living reminder of James and Lily's relationship--their child, I think this would be enough to make him hate Harry. Also he constantly compares Harry to James, so part of it is also that Harry reminds him of James, the man he hated who stole his woman. :P Just a thought.

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Re: Lily/Snape - [info]pharnabazus, 2005-07-27 11:44 pm UTC
Re: Lily/Snape - [info]safakus, 2005-08-01 09:07 pm UTC
Re: Lily/Snape - [info]pharnabazus, 2005-08-03 07:49 am UTC

[info]safakus
2005-08-01 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Also, there is the fact that James used a spell supposadly invented by Snape. On the other hand, it was a very popular spell at the time, according to Remus. Maybe we shouldn't over-analyze that part too much. After all, there is not any evidence Snape kept that spell a secret, it wasn't a dark spell. He could have used it on someone else, or thought it to one of his Slytherin mates, and it might have spread out from then on.

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Snape and Lily
(Anonymous)
2005-08-04 07:38 am UTC (link)
I like your essay. It does appear to me that there is more to Lily and Snape then we know.

However I am still unconvinced that Snape was capable of deeper feeling when he was in Hogwarts. If he felt love, real love, he would never have been a deatheater.

I propose that the Lily and Snape affair occurred much later. After she married James and after she had Harry. I think Snape had a hand in Harry's survival. My theory is that Lily and Snape created a potion form of the Unbreakable Vow. I wrote about it in portkey.
http://talk.portkey.org/index.php?showtopic=16419&st=45

The problem I have with Lily writing the book is that it is a very nasty little book. I can't see Lily creating or condoning a hex like Sectumsempra.

Hmmm. But the nickname could be one of her little jokes.

By the way, I enjoyed your essay on wizard alliances.


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Handwriting and the HBP
(Anonymous)
2005-08-06 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Doesn't anyone think Harry would recognize his own mother's handwriting? Thus she could NOT have inscribed the book to the "Half-Blood Prince"! The handwritten notes in the book would have to have been from Snape's mom.

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Re: Handwriting and the HBP
[info]mad_freddy
2005-08-07 07:03 am UTC (link)
I don't really know where Harry should have seen a lot of his mother's handwriting - additionally, the handwriting sometimes changes especially while growing up...

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Re: Handwriting and the HBP - [info]wombatlord, 2005-08-12 09:30 pm UTC
Re: Handwriting and the HBP - (Anonymous), 2005-12-17 05:21 am UTC
Re: Handwriting and the HBP - (Anonymous), 2005-12-29 10:12 am UTC
Re: Handwriting and the HBP - (Anonymous), 2007-01-14 10:36 pm UTC

[info]greenasphodel
2005-08-10 10:29 pm UTC (link)
hey its me Harriet from FAP! Brava on your essay and I can't wait for your next instalment.

I squeed so much after reading HBP when I learned Sev and Lily had much more in common than just their mutual hatred of James. They were both in the Slug Club, talented at potions; and since Slughorn thought Lily should be in Slytherin, there must have been certian aspects of her personality that were similar to Sev's. Arrrgh! Why can't Jo just out them allready!

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Lily's semi-slytherin personality
(Anonymous)
2005-12-17 05:31 am UTC (link)
Lily is a Gryffindor who could, perhaps, have been a Slytherin. In this, she would seem to have the most in common with Harry, although he does not apparently make that connection himself.

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(Anonymous)
2005-12-29 10:07 am UTC (link)
Do you remember when Lupin said Snape was jealous of everything James had? Most likely including Lily. I think Snape at least respected Lily for her talent and her spirit. But when she started dating James he probaly felt insulted and stupid for liking her at all! That is why Snape is so bitter! He wanted to be like James, have everything James had but James and Snape hated each other. So when James finally 'wins' Lily's love Snape is furious!

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(Anonymous)
2006-04-13 04:48 pm UTC (link)
I am starting to believe that perhaps there was a secret hidden relationship that we aren't allowed to see yet. Although I think that Lily was attracted to James and probably loved him was he the only one? It could be that she could have had feelings for Snape that we don't know about yet also that would explain why James and Snape loathed each other. There was a comment James made about Snape in the pensieve memory that could explain it all talking about it's just the fact that he exists maybe James sensed that they had some sort of relationship/friendship or whatever and he resented it. There is another thing is it possible that James is this great heroic figure we have been lead to believe or is he really the coward that Snape says he is hmmm. All I know is I walked away from the book believing the book was wrote by Snape and Lily if not Lily than Snapes mom. If Lily and Snape wrote the book than they had to have at least been friends. I am sure there is a twist coming and it may very well that if their was any romance going on that it was mutual it would be a great twist if Lily loved Snape.

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